Outline of Session held on 10/20/13
- Previous Week’s [10/13/13] Review
- Background to today’s Reading
- Reading
- Discussion
Previous Week’s [10/13/13] Review
After being prompted by Tim, I invited those who might be interested in a more in-depth study. We would be following the format outlined by Carla Mae Streeter. He process would focus our attention on a specific biblical unit of thought by asking a series of four questions. The questions are based on Purpose, Point, Presuppositions and Praxis Value. I then review each of the questions. [If any web reader is interested, let me know.] At the end of our session Ken, Faryl, Mark, Tim, and Michael expressed an interest.
My review of the previous week’s conversation was sparked by Jude, my four year old grandson. I had picked him up from the Tuesday afternoon CCD program at St. Anthony All Saints. We headed home when Jude asked, “Nonno, [Italian for grandpa] where can I see Jesus? I’ve been looking but I don’t see him.” I certainly wasn’t expecting that question nor did I have a ready answer. By the following Sunday morning, however, I did have a few thoughts.
I saw a connection between what my grandson’s question assumed and an assumption I thought I heard in Kai’s remarks from last week. So I attempted to link them together. As part of our conversation in which we wondered whether God’s promise was dependent on us, Kai thought that God’s promise was independent of our actions. Part of his basis for thinking that emerged in a quote he offered from the Christian Scripture. The scene was Jesus before Pilate in which Jesus responded, “My Kingdom is not of this world.” Kai added we can’t take it with us. As you might recall there was considerable conversation on this point; does what we do matter or are things pretty well determined by God already. Tim raised the issue in different terms, Is God controlling my life or am I controlling my life. Does what we do matter? Is God present in this world, now; if so, how is God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit present? Before you read any further would you be willing to answer those questions for your self.
There is an underlying assumption about how we know anything that I wanted to address. The critical point, from my point of view, is that we don’t know by looking. Looking maybe one part of human knowing but by itself it is not knowing. Jesus is present to us but his presence is not immediate, by taking a look. Rather Jesus’ presence is mediated by meaning. I don’t expect you to grasp the significance of these last two sentences but it’s worth the effort.
Let’s begin with the obvious. I am in the 21st century in Canton Ohio writing English words, you are reading them on this website on the internet. Let us take one word, Jesus. In some fundamental way, Jesus is present in that word. His name, Jesus, means something to you. But that meaning bears the weight of some 2000 years of human history coming to you, most likely from your parents. In some way that “Jesus” is unique to you. He is whomever you actually think Jesus is. Now you are not alone, Jesus is meaningful to others, and the others form a community. To the extent that the members of the community share a common meaning they are united but are divided to the extent that their meanings are opposed, contradictory.
This point of community united or divided was brought out clearly by a question that Mark asked. He was listening to a radio talk show discussing the changes being brought about by what Pope Francis is saying and doing. He wanted to know based on what the Pope is saying and doing, is the culture changing the church or is the church changing the culture.
Most of the group thought that it wasn’t either / or. Michael felt that the church has to change with the culture if it expects to reach the people in the culture they actually are living in. Tim, Faryl, and Ken expressed in different words that the church has both to change with the culture but also to change the culture. While they spoke in rather general terms, Rosemarie was quite specific. She felt that the culture is almost always attacking the basic beliefs of the church as exemplified in issues such as same sex marriage, abortion, ordination of women, the Health Care Mandate. She believes strongly that the church has to fight these attacks. Her take on Pope Francis though is that he is urging us to focus on the poor, to become a church of the poor. In this way, the truth teachings of the church will be manifested. Heber wondered if Rosemarie was opposed to married priests. She gave her understanding of why we have a celibate priesthood and favored it from one point of view but was not opposed to married priests. There was a financial issue that would have to be resolved.
At this point I am inclined to stop to give you who are reading this, time to reflect and I would encourage you to respond with a question, an observation.”
Background to today’s our readings.
In a sense we pick up the narrative from chapter 28. Much has happened but the conflict between Jacob and Esau remains unresolved. We learn in this passage that Jacob is first to meet God and that meeting prepares him for his meeting with Esau.
We are reminded as we listen to / read the passages to wonder
- Who are the characters in the story
- What role do these characters play
- What is the plot of the story, the author’s intent
Reading: Gen. 32:01 – 09: Jacob prepares for his meeting with Esau and turns to God in prayer. http://usccb.org/bible/genesis/32
Discussion
We begin with asking who are the characters in the passage; more to help us stay focused. Ken mentioned “messengers.” True enough but the word is used twice and it refers to two different characters in the passage. A review of the notes for the Gen. 32: 01 – 02 are illuminating on this point.
[32:1–22] Jacob’s negotiations with Esau. Laban kisses his daughters and grandchildren good-bye but not Jacob. On leaving Mesopotamia, Jacob has an encounter with angels of God (vv. 2–3), which provokes him to exclaim, “This is God’s encampment,” just as he exclaimed upon leaving Canaan, “This is the house of God, the gateway to heaven” (28:11–17).
The notes affirm that the first messengers are “angels of God.” This is the third time that Jacob has been visited by “angels.” You may not believe it but this one word “angel” resulted in a half hour conversation. Let me reiterate, we can’t see angels; even though they have been depicted in art and thus have contributed to our having an image of them in our imagination. The word has a meaning and we learned rather quickly that we don’t all share the same meaning for the word.
Ken reflect on how people can get bent out shape if their meaning of angel is challenged. He thought that angel is more a function or role that people can play in the lives of others without necessarily denying the spiritual reality of angels. I mentioned that growing up I was taught that we all have “guardian angels.” So our 2000 year history comes to light in us differently. Rosemarie spoke of the nine choirs of angels. For her angels are spiritual beings that God uses help us, prompt us. But, and this was very important for Rosemarie, we have to be “tuned in“ in her words. Being “tuned in” was a function of praying every day.
Eventually we were to return to the passage at hand. I wanted to point out the significance, meaning, of God’s messengers coming to Jacob. The author / editor is telling us in his own way that in Jacob’s life [and thus the life of all of us] there is presence of God and the presence of the world; sometimes working in concert, sometimes working in opposition. But it is God’s encampment that matters.
Before I knew it the hour and an half had passed almost in mid-sentence but that is how it goes.
You are invited to respond to these or other questions that might arise within you as you read this passage. Your comments, observations, questions are welcomed. See “comment” link below